What’s My Mortgage Rate And How Much Is It Going To Cost Me?

Mortgage professionals would like to believe there is more to sales than answering the: ‘What’s MY rate and how much is this going to cost ME?‘ question, but there really isn’t.

It’s become an industry of risk based pricing and articulate paper pushing, whoever can push the paper in the right direction the fastest, for the least cost, wins.  Sure they’re are people who’ll appreciate the full service model, much like the real estate sales industry equivalent, but this demographic is shrinking and far faster.

Allow me to tell a story…

My former company, a mortgage brokerage, engaged in a gelatinous mix of marketing campaigns with value apropos via: Direct mail, cold calls, blast faxing (while it was legal), ‘press one’ predictive dialing, targeted lists, internet leads, database marketing, yellow page ads, weekly newspaper runs, networking at every Chamber of Commerce event within driving distance, pounding the pavement visiting real estate professionals, you name it we tried it…obviously this was pre-web 2.0…

We sold ‘value propositions’ six ways till Sunday.  The ‘trusted advisor’, the ‘mortgage planner’,  the predictive crystal ball soothsayer, the technician, the take-away, the hard close, the soft close, the assumptive close, the second voice…I’m guilty of pitching every hook in the book to convert a consumer into a client.  Our economy is built on debt and we were slingin it from early 2001 till mid 2004.

Regardless of what dog and pony show we put on for a client, the question always came back to: ‘What’s MY rate and how much is this going to cost ME again?‘  So, in late 2004 I threw my hands up in complete and utter frustration with myself for selling every value proposition except the one that was most important in the eyes of most every consumer…rates and cost.  While many consumers were thankful for our many talents, presentations and advice, after 30 days most abandoned their prescribed path to better living with less debt.

Over a very short period of time everything became lucid and clear…Screw the ethereal value propositions, if consumers want rate and cost, HERE take them.  I pulled out my rate sheets and showed consumers how risk based pricing works, told them I needed to make $X to cover my costs and make some profit.  We abandoned the crazy commission split model, purged alot of labor costs, and I never had to ’sell’ another mortgage again.

Instead, what we began to ’sell’ in late 04 was how f*cked up this industry was, like how a lesser mortgage professional would cram them into the best paying programs and never tell them otherwise, what YSP was, how things really ‘went down’.  I seeded the consumers mind and turned them loose back into the market, almost without fail they came running back with stories of attempted treachery and deceit.  We made less per loan and had less volume but we netted out better at the end of each month, which is the goal of many successful businesses.

This type of action went on from roughly late 2001 to late 2005, then things started to, ahem, tighten up.   Our sales pitch sounded exactly like what began as back-page newspaper worthy, working all the way to the headlines of every major news outlet in the USA…The Mortgage Meltdown.  The industry was f*cked up, bloated and ‘disingenuous’ it had serious lack of disclosure issues, its very nature was to find anyone that had some financial ware-withal and cram them into the American Dream of Homeownership or convince them to use their home as a low interest ATM machine.

IMO, lenders, most specifically the Alt-A and Sub-Prime fueled Wall Street backed lenders were/are the root of the problem, but this doesn’t make them the only problem.

Since rules were apparently made to be broken, broken rules in the mortgage industry had a name: ‘Exceptions’.  An ‘exception’ was granted by lenders if the consumer (via the broker/banker) didn’t quite meet their own underwriting criteria.  In other words, they broke their own rules for an extra .25% of the loan amount, which came out of the broker/banker or consumers pocket, sometimes both.  What is a broker/banker or consumer going to do at this point?  Turn the deal down and lose the home/deal over a .25%?-LOL

It’s easy to look back and see that this practice was ’suspect’ at the very least, but at the time it was simply business.

We found ourselves openly joking about not remembering a lenders name as much as we knew their niche.  There was the no VOE lender, the 12 mos bank statement guys, no seasoning specials,  it got to be like: ‘Hey who’ll do a 80% plus seller second, 6% concessions 610 stated wage earner with no seasoning?’  What that means is: Have 610 middle FICO and some silly paperwork and you get a mortgage for probably very little money out of pocket, in many cases none.

How all this was allowed to happened is captured here.

I bolted the industry in January 2006, closed shop and went into the business of consulting other brokerages on how to lean out and prepare for the tight times ahead.

Fast forward to 2008.

Enough nostalgia, Judgement Day has all but arrived for the mortgage industry and it’s being choked out from the ground up.  This is what happens during lean times after an unprecedented boom.  The fat gets trimmed, it’s survival of the fittest, those not willing to adapt, adopt and change either burn out or fade away.

Needless to say many of the scenarios I described above are no longer in practice because the lenders that fostered it and the brokers/bankers/consumers that reveled in it are either already out or heading straight for the door.  The lenders who are still functioning and used to look for every possible way to approve a loan, now scour files for any reason to turn them down.

So what’s left?

A battle of attrition and nobody’s pulling punches.  If you’re still in the industry it’s all about who can push who under The Bus first.  Conforming, FHA  and VA loans are the only stable parts of whats left of this machine.

The government is preaching transparency while allowing certain designated mortgage businesses the privilege to be exactly the opposite.  This isn’t good news for the small to mid size companies.

The ubiquitous mortgage solution circle jerk stands to serve big business and the lobbyists, leaving the small to mid size shops floundering in the wind and ultimately on to another career because of the skewed disclosure laws that favor one side of the business over the other.

If it’s not obvious by now, many powerful institutions with alot of money would like to see nothing more than the mortgage broker sucked up into their vacuum and erased from the landscape.  They’ll have everyone believe this is for the betterment of the entire industry.  I beg to disagree.

If there’s a new age battle going on, old-school weapons won’t do.

Lets face it, the whole ‘trusted advisor’, ‘mortgage planner’ talk sounds nice and noble but generally goes in one ear and out the other.  We offered to help people get to retirement debt free, gave advice on how to ’save thousands in interest’ and religiously offered the cool software that produced fancy spreadsheets to show how ‘quickly and easily’ they could get there or how low their ‘effective interest rate’ could be, if they heeded my ‘advice’.

*Thud*.  Thats the sound of sage advice hitting the bottom of their mental trash can.  Unfortunately financial planning propositions are of little value to the general consumer, who in the end just wants to know what their rate is and how much the transaction will cost them, period.  In a society of consumerism where most people live paycheck to paycheck, they’re far more concerned with how they can save $1000 today rather than $10,000 over the next 10 years.

Instead of delivering the product and information that a consumer wants, many mo-pros today are simply trolling new mediums spouting the same message, the same tired value propositions.

Mortgages really aren’t that hard to explain or understand, it’s the hieroglyphical documents that are supposed to clear things up, coupled with the ‘baffle you with bullshit’ sales pitches that confuse people.

It doesn’t take a degree in rocket science to figure out if you only plan on owning a property for 3 years, then a 30 Year fixed isn’t practical, and you can save money by taking the lower payment a 3 Yr or 5 Yr ARM (often) affords.  If you invest the savings, you’ll make money.  If you send the savings to the lender every month, you’ll pay the loan off sooner and pay less interest.

I’ve dished the ‘transparency in mortgage’ story in more flavors than Baskin Robbins, yet its all very vanilla…Consumers want to know ‘Whats my rate and how much will it cost me?‘  Whoever can answer quickest, with the most accuracy and deliver the goods in a reasonable amount of time wins in the land of Mortgage 2.0.

Get rid of your dated value propositions, get lean, get naked or get on to another industry.

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  • "they're more concerned about how they can save $1k today rather than $10k over the next 10 years". That right there is the story of people today. Nobody is interested in saving $100/month for 10 months. They'd rather have $1k today or nothing.
  • The more I resist transparency, the more I see its merit.

    Right now my sentiment is that the consumer has been wronged for years by the mix of wholesale brokers and retail banker/lenders. Wronged because the bankers and lenders spend more time badmouthing brokers and their rates than training on their own programs. Step back in time 2 years and see how many WAMU retail loan officers could tell you the good AND the bad in an Option ARM

    Back to the present... Wholesale needs to get back on course and retrain the customer. We can pick up the pieces and rebuild the lending process ourselves with honest rates, fees and upfront acknowledgment of what the consumer wants to know... What's it going to cost me?

    I'm wearing pants....but they're still in beta
  • Bryant Keefe
    Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! All the CMPS, Mortgage Planning, By Referral Only Crap that causes LO's to hide from the fact that we are salespeople plain and simple is a travesty. But it makes those folks a lot of money telling us we are the greatest gift to humankind. Why can't we just take pride in being great salespeople? We get paid to market, bring bodies to the table and capture signatures end of story. Helk, most of us just hand the files to processors and go find the next deal. Well guess what that is our job! Anyone hanging on to the notion that John Q. Public is going to continue to pay us thousands of dollars for this process is dead wrong. The days of points on loans are going away fast. See the banks offering more and more no fee loans. The public does not get margin and YSP and they don't want to. They want a new loan for the lowest payment and the lowest fees. Real or perceived. Of course you have to give service also, Duh!

    I have been doing this for 15 years and I put the rate sheet on the desk, I charge a sensible fee for my time and I stay busy.

    Cheers!

    Bryant
  • Michael Cauley
    Some good points in your article. Some, "I have given up on citizen's ability to think about consequences of their choices." A stat that has not changed through the history of mankind. Buyer's consist of 23% of those who obtain their product and services by thinking about the consequence of their choices. They ask for referrals from trusted sources. 36% make their choices strictly based upon telling them what they want to hear. 41% can go either way depending which of the previous 2 groups are breathing in their ear and previous life experiences.

    From my 22 years in this industry, I rarely talk to people who are stuck with what is the rate and what is it costing me. I am buffered from these people by not advertising and only speaking with people who are coming to me for my trusted advisor advice.

    The folks you speak of, know it all and just need the advertisers to tell them what they want to hear--and they will. We know they will not get that, but as Danny Gilbert of Quicken loans once said, "All I am going to do is serve people's greed with advertising."

    Under the circumstances resulting from got a pulse get a mortgage era, more of the 41% will have a past experience that lends to not trusting those who only talk about rates and cost. The 41% is the swing vote in your analysis. Right now, it will favor trusted advisors. When the market moves back to got a pulse get a mortgage environment, more of them will be rate and cost seekers.
  • interesting...where do you get your figures from?
  • would be kind of funny if he just made it all up... But it sounds good.
  • Really good article. I have not been around long enough to have seen this all myself so its good to know.
  • "what's my rate and how much will it cost me" is a symptom.

    The disease is that mortgage originators have lost the trust of the consumer.

    The real question to ponder is whether the industry, as a whole is willing to do what it takes to become healthy again.
  • agreed!...the mortgage industry needs a prescribed cure that is less like chemotherapy and more like gene therapy...
  • David Reed
    Best article I've read in a while. -David Reed
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