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	<title>Comments on: Mortgage Interest Rate Pricing, The Disturbing Truth</title>
	<link>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/</link>
	<description>Radical Transparency for The Real Estate and Mortgage Industrys</description>
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		<title>By: Keith McClain</title>
		<link>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith McClain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a million times, Mr. X
You have been very informative and concise in your approach to educating the masses.
I am ashamed of the mess which I also participated in as a loan officer for the past four years. I was always told to sell, sell, sell, or get the...beep..out...of the office and get your own organ grinder.....lol (Former Employer now out of the business, IRONIC???????)

I realized a while back with the mortgage shift and reshaping, that I need to be a part of the cleanup.

Thank you so much for the information on what to charge, so I can always continue to educate my clients and future clients, as well.

Sincerely,

Keith McClain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a million times, Mr. X<br />
You have been very informative and concise in your approach to educating the masses.<br />
I am ashamed of the mess which I also participated in as a loan officer for the past four years. I was always told to sell, sell, sell, or get the&#8230;beep..out&#8230;of the office and get your own organ grinder&#8230;..lol (Former Employer now out of the business, IRONIC???????)</p>
<p>I realized a while back with the mortgage shift and reshaping, that I need to be a part of the cleanup.</p>
<p>Thank you so much for the information on what to charge, so I can always continue to educate my clients and future clients, as well.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Keith McClain</p>
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		<title>By: The Mortgage Cartel and the Need for Transparent Search at The XBroker</title>
		<link>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mortgage Cartel and the Need for Transparent Search at The XBroker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-155</guid>
		<description>[...] Operating beyond the reach of Reg X, online über-shills sucked billions of dollars in overpaid interest expense out of the economy through such notorious schemes as DiTech&#8217;s &#8220;$395 Flat-Fee Loan&#8221;—a Trojan horse packed with up to 3 points in hidden yield spread courtesy of an inflated interest rate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Operating beyond the reach of Reg X, online über-shills sucked billions of dollars in overpaid interest expense out of the economy through such notorious schemes as DiTech&#8217;s &#8220;$395 Flat-Fee Loan&#8221;—a Trojan horse packed with up to 3 points in hidden yield spread courtesy of an inflated interest rate. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The XBroker</title>
		<link>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>The XBroker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-156</guid>
		<description>Christian...almost forgot about you :-\  sorry!

Our community of brokers and bankers are required to charge a flat fee for service disclosed near the inception of the relationship, between $2000-$5000 (single line broker compensation item) per deal.  3rd party costs not included.
They don't charge points, as I like to say, the loan amount has very little to do with the cost or time associated involved with closing that loan.  A $100k loan can be harder to close than a $500k loan, so we steer clear of the illogical % base loan cost commission model.
Income doc requirement does, i.e. we charge less for reduced doc loans because they require less work.

Our affiliates tier out their pricing based on a few other factors as well.  They make less per loan than your average broker, but close more loans in less time, and actually make more money...asing the leading question:
Would you rather make $10,000 over 60 days or $7500 over 30 days?  A split commission system doesn't work under these conditions, so we use an alternative comp model.

We layout the direct wholesale rate sheets displaying absolute par rates and allow the client to choose how they want their fees wrapped up...selling true transparency instead of rates and fees...

Hope this answered your Q :)

JeffX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian&#8230;almost forgot about you :-\  sorry!</p>
<p>Our community of brokers and bankers are required to charge a flat fee for service disclosed near the inception of the relationship, between $2000-$5000 (single line broker compensation item) per deal.  3rd party costs not included.<br />
They don&#8217;t charge points, as I like to say, the loan amount has very little to do with the cost or time associated involved with closing that loan.  A $100k loan can be harder to close than a $500k loan, so we steer clear of the illogical % base loan cost commission model.<br />
Income doc requirement does, i.e. we charge less for reduced doc loans because they require less work.</p>
<p>Our affiliates tier out their pricing based on a few other factors as well.  They make less per loan than your average broker, but close more loans in less time, and actually make more money&#8230;asing the leading question:<br />
Would you rather make $10,000 over 60 days or $7500 over 30 days?  A split commission system doesn&#8217;t work under these conditions, so we use an alternative comp model.</p>
<p>We layout the direct wholesale rate sheets displaying absolute par rates and allow the client to choose how they want their fees wrapped up&#8230;selling true transparency instead of rates and fees&#8230;</p>
<p>Hope this answered your Q <img src='http://thexbroker.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
JeffX</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-158</guid>
		<description>Jeff,

I appreciate that, and I'll look forward to hearing back.

Christian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I appreciate that, and I&#8217;ll look forward to hearing back.</p>
<p>Christian</p>
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		<title>By: The XBroker</title>
		<link>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>The XBroker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-157</guid>
		<description>Ive got an answer for you Christian, although not enough time to dedicate a worthy response to you tonight...but I will :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive got an answer for you Christian, although not enough time to dedicate a worthy response to you tonight&#8230;but I will <img src='http://thexbroker.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-159</guid>
		<description>Mr. Corbett,

I applaud your efforts and get a lot of good information from your site, but I do have a question. In your opinion, what should a loan officer make per loan?

In a perfect world, we'd all get consistent business and price based on volume motives, not roller coaster month motives.

Regarding your LO's, what's their average split/YSP? I try to consistently price loans at 1-1.5% YSP and feel like I'm in the more competitive end of the pool.

Just interested.

Thanks again, and keep up the good work.

Christian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Corbett,</p>
<p>I applaud your efforts and get a lot of good information from your site, but I do have a question. In your opinion, what should a loan officer make per loan?</p>
<p>In a perfect world, we&#8217;d all get consistent business and price based on volume motives, not roller coaster month motives.</p>
<p>Regarding your LO&#8217;s, what&#8217;s their average split/YSP? I try to consistently price loans at 1-1.5% YSP and feel like I&#8217;m in the more competitive end of the pool.</p>
<p>Just interested.</p>
<p>Thanks again, and keep up the good work.</p>
<p>Christian</p>
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		<title>By: The XBroker</title>
		<link>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>The XBroker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-153</guid>
		<description>Very true Brian...I took on the arduos task of looking at how we spent our money and how we paid our LO's, and conceived a unique and alternative model to run on.
This made the price points I speak of very tangible, and profitable.  You must change the traditional business process model from the inside as well as the outside.

11/04/2006 	by Jeff Corbett</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true Brian&#8230;I took on the arduos task of looking at how we spent our money and how we paid our LO&#8217;s, and conceived a unique and alternative model to run on.<br />
This made the price points I speak of very tangible, and profitable.  You must change the traditional business process model from the inside as well as the outside.</p>
<p>11/04/2006 	by Jeff Corbett</p>
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		<title>By: The XBroker</title>
		<link>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>The XBroker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian...great point and that was partially what I was trying to get at. It's always nice to have someone else point it out for you.

But like I said before... Jeff C. makes some good points. But standardizing a flat fee, just won't work on an overall scale. But he did point out some other issues that I do agree about. One is, some brokers or lenders just making too much off a client when they could give some of it back. That I do agree with...

11/04/2006 	by Jeff Belonger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian&#8230;great point and that was partially what I was trying to get at. It&#8217;s always nice to have someone else point it out for you.</p>
<p>But like I said before&#8230; Jeff C. makes some good points. But standardizing a flat fee, just won&#8217;t work on an overall scale. But he did point out some other issues that I do agree about. One is, some brokers or lenders just making too much off a client when they could give some of it back. That I do agree with&#8230;</p>
<p>11/04/2006 	by Jeff Belonger</p>
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		<title>By: The XBroker</title>
		<link>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>The XBroker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-152</guid>
		<description>Good comments from both of the Jeff's.

Jeff-X...your figures suggest a $3,000 brokerage fee on a $410,000 loan.  Any brokerage worth it's salt would be out of business with those margins (and still provide a full-service offering).

The brokerage fee for that loan (incuding a processing fee) would be somewhere in the $4,000-$5000 range....and the answer is Yes...I have tried it at the lower margins and you just can't keep quality, licensed emplyoees for those margins and stay in business. You can mix it up anyway you want but a 1-1.25% margin on A paper loans is an absolute necessity to pay the lights, copiers, and employees (if you're in it for the long haul)

Otherwise, great posting.

11/04/2006 	by Brian Brady</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments from both of the Jeff&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Jeff-X&#8230;your figures suggest a $3,000 brokerage fee on a $410,000 loan.  Any brokerage worth it&#8217;s salt would be out of business with those margins (and still provide a full-service offering).</p>
<p>The brokerage fee for that loan (incuding a processing fee) would be somewhere in the $4,000-$5000 range&#8230;.and the answer is Yes&#8230;I have tried it at the lower margins and you just can&#8217;t keep quality, licensed emplyoees for those margins and stay in business. You can mix it up anyway you want but a 1-1.25% margin on A paper loans is an absolute necessity to pay the lights, copiers, and employees (if you&#8217;re in it for the long haul)</p>
<p>Otherwise, great posting.</p>
<p>11/04/2006 	by Brian Brady</p>
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		<title>By: The XBroker</title>
		<link>http://thexbroker.com/2006/11/05/mortgage-rate-pricing-the-disturbing-truth/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>The XBroker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could someone bait and switch if their 'client' had independent access to their rate sheets and they were forced to provide a copy of the Lenders validated rate lock/pricing sheet?

As far as a banker having to disclose YSP...in a marketplace of forced transparency, what is their sales pitch for an unexplained higher APR or when a consumer asks them why they didnt disclose YSP?  'I didnt have to tell you?'

AUE's have caused quite an attrition, a 'fat cutting', of human UW's and other previously labor intensive jobs.  I'm not speaking in absolutes...some piece of tech isn't going to eliminate, rather it will regulate and streamline.  DU was an important step forward, but far from a transparent solution,; an 'insider industry' example of the type of a tool that can radically change how we do business.

I understand I speak too cryptically about all of 'this', as if much of 'this' has already permeated the marketplace, which it hasn't...not by a long stretch.  So I lace my posts with thought provoking fact...hoping others begin to see what is coming.

Without actually making the damning allegations and proposing the comprehensive solution, I appear as an idealist, waffling around clouds 9, 10, and 11...high on my own ether..hahaha :))

Over the next 12-18 months, these topics will become a flash point for the industry.  There is a perfect storm coming together...

I appreciate your opinion and time Jeff, you and others in this community help me better understand the collective conscious of what is still good in the mortgage industry.

11/04/2006 	by Jeff Corbett</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone bait and switch if their &#8216;client&#8217; had independent access to their rate sheets and they were forced to provide a copy of the Lenders validated rate lock/pricing sheet?</p>
<p>As far as a banker having to disclose YSP&#8230;in a marketplace of forced transparency, what is their sales pitch for an unexplained higher APR or when a consumer asks them why they didnt disclose YSP?  &#8216;I didnt have to tell you?&#8217;</p>
<p>AUE&#8217;s have caused quite an attrition, a &#8216;fat cutting&#8217;, of human UW&#8217;s and other previously labor intensive jobs.  I&#8217;m not speaking in absolutes&#8230;some piece of tech isn&#8217;t going to eliminate, rather it will regulate and streamline.  DU was an important step forward, but far from a transparent solution,; an &#8216;insider industry&#8217; example of the type of a tool that can radically change how we do business.</p>
<p>I understand I speak too cryptically about all of &#8216;this&#8217;, as if much of &#8216;this&#8217; has already permeated the marketplace, which it hasn&#8217;t&#8230;not by a long stretch.  So I lace my posts with thought provoking fact&#8230;hoping others begin to see what is coming.</p>
<p>Without actually making the damning allegations and proposing the comprehensive solution, I appear as an idealist, waffling around clouds 9, 10, and 11&#8230;high on my own ether..hahaha :))</p>
<p>Over the next 12-18 months, these topics will become a flash point for the industry.  There is a perfect storm coming together&#8230;</p>
<p>I appreciate your opinion and time Jeff, you and others in this community help me better understand the collective conscious of what is still good in the mortgage industry.</p>
<p>11/04/2006 	by Jeff Corbett</p>
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